Organics: what's the fuss about?

Posted by Andrew Wadge on January 9th 2007 in Supporting consumer choice

There was lots of weekend media coverage about organic food, promoted by Environment Secretary David Miliband’s comments about it being a ‘lifestyle choice’ with no hard evidence that it’s better.

The Agency's advice on organic food is often cited. Basically we’re neither for nor against it, and we're guided very much by what the science says. We recognise the important role it plays in providing choice for consumers, but the balance of current scientific evidence doesn’t support the view that it’s more nutritious or safer than conventional foods.

As far as organics and science are concerned, I see that David Miliband refers to some of the organics research done by the Agency research on his blog.

Personally, I think it's time we moved on from the rather sterile arguments about which is best, as there are lots of different reasons why people choose organic food. Some of them will no doubt be debated later this month at the City Food Lecture at the Guildhall in London, which the Agency is sponsoring for the first time.

Peter Melchett, policy director of the Soil Association, will speak on ‘Food and values – the organic future’. 

There’ll be a chance to examine the values that influence what we choose to eat (farming practices, affordability, interest in fair trade, commitment to high animal welfare standards etc.) and to discuss the underlying science.

We’ll be webcasting the event, which takes place in London on January 23 at 6.30pm, and you can email questions to the panel discussion at cityfoodlecture@foodstandards.gsi.gov.uk.

Or have your say on the blog, of course.

Thank God!

Posted by John Bolt (not verified) on 19/07/2008 - 12:01

Sanity at last . Organic food is at last revealed to be the con-trick of the century.
And I include care for the environment and animal welfare in this.
Back in Devon we cared for our livestock like family pets within the bounds of the daily routine of producing milk . Moreover,
we never over-fertilised or operated when it was due to rain to keep the expensive nitrogen where is belonged -in the ground.
Neither did we 'overdo' the chemicals also very expensive and tissue smaples never showed harmful residues-- until they lowered the standards to ridiculous levels.

I stand

Posted by Clare Wilson (not verified) on 22/02/2007 - 11:09

I stand corrected.

Thanks
Clare

Price tag

Posted by Anonymous (not verified) on 02/02/2007 - 09:45

Unfortunately Organic foods have a price tag to match.

I have just moved from a south london suburb where there is a nice little organic bakery and grocers, that sells nice little organic loaves for £3 each; made with ingredients that cost about 30p.

Until Organic foods are priced competitively they will remain a lifestyle choice for the more affluent consumer, and the whole argument about superior quality, nutritional value and environmental impact is pointless.

Organic milk

Posted by Prof. J Ralph Blanchfield, MBE (not verified) on 26/01/2007 - 21:14

I am amazed that the Medical Features Editor of New Scientist is apparently unaware that the Soil Association put that claim to the Food Standards Agency, which had it independently assessed by experts, and rejected it as unfounded, on
19 September 2006:

'The FSA has concluded that whilst this study shows that organically produced milk can contain higher levels of types of fats called short-chain omega-3 fatty acids than conventionally produced milk, the evidence suggests that these fatty acids appear to be of limited health benefit compared to the longer chain omega-3 fatty acids found in oily fish.2,3

'Short-chain fatty acids can be converted to these long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, which have been shown to be protective against cardiovascular disease. However the conversion rate of the short-chain fatty acids to the longer chain fatty acids appears to be very limited.4,5

'Therefore, organic milk consumed in volumes consistent with a healthy diet, would not provide sufficient amounts of long-chain omega-3 fatty acids to provide significant health benefits, over and above those associated with conventional milk.'

This was also conveyed to the researcher concerned in a letter from Deirdre Hutton on 19 September 2006, and published on the FSA website.

I noted that in his lecture Lord Melchett continued to claim nutritional superiority of organic milk, but I recall he based it on the phrase 'short-chain omega-3 fatty acids;' a weasel-worded claim to say the least.

FSA and 'organic food'.

Posted by Jim Masson (not verified) on 26/01/2007 - 18:27

I posted a question on the net asking WHY it WAS that, in the latest FSA statistics, their OWN figures, which asked WHY the figures for 2004/5 resulted in HUGE levels of "infringements" as compared to "inspections", this actually being 50%!! WHO is doing anything to stop this scandal, especially after the lessons of CJD. Figures for the same activity at Manufacrer/Processor level were 40.1%!! I did NOT see the question asked, nor answered.

Lifestyle choices

Posted by Wayne (not verified) on 26/01/2007 - 11:14

I am pleased the issue of lifestyle choice has entered the food debate. What surprises me is that people think lifestyle choice is not that important. I think if many people thought about this for a moment they would hope to be making the right lifestyle choices for as long as they possibly can. Thus, I think that when government officials talk about lifestyle choice they are speaking about matters of extremely high importance not low importance. A true sense of sense of healthy lifestyle and sustainability is required- organic or not

organic milk

Posted by Clare Wilson (not verified) on 24/01/2007 - 16:37

Hello Andrew - great blog.

How about the fact that organic milk seems to contain higher levels of omega-3 fatty acids?

Surely this should be an exception to the agency's stance that organic foods have no proven health benefits?

Best wishes
Clare Wilson
(Medical features editor, New Scientist)

City Food Lecture

Posted by Andrew Wadge on 24/01/2007 - 11:07

I enjoyed last night's City Food Lecture at the Guildhall. Lord Peter Melchett spoke on 'Food and values - the organic future', which stimulated a lively and at times robust debate. He painted a very optimistic picture of an organic future for agriculture in the UK, with a very personal account of his experiences growing up and farming in Norfolk, the use of pesticides and fertilisers in the post-war period, and more recent conversion to organic status.

While everyone recognised that organic food has firmly established a position in the market, not everyone agreed that organic was the answer to all of various inter-related challenges that we face on the future of farming; the rise in obesity; how to feed a growing world population and climate change. At the FSA we will continue to work with scientists and advise consumers on what the overall body of science says about the nutritional and safety aspects of organic and conventional foods, recognising that people make food choices for a wide range of ethical and cultural reasons that go beyond what the science says.

Organic and others

Posted by Anonymous (not verified) on 24/01/2007 - 11:06

Surely what’s important is that consumers have choice and the market is able to deliver what the consumer wants and is able to innovate, otherwise our food would be boring. The problem with organic is that it is seen as a category of food that may deliver food safety and environmental benefits but comes at a price for the consumer.

What is more sensible is LEAF Marque; affordable, wholesome, safe food grown to high environmental standards by farmers who care.

This is a more realistic way forward for the majority of farmers and more importantly is affordable by the majority of us whilst having a positive impact on improving the environment for the benefit wildlife and the countryside.

What's important is give consumers choice and information about what the label means.

Organic food and drink

Posted by Anonymous (not verified) on 22/01/2007 - 20:53

I don't understand why scientists then can't make an informed judgement based on physical tests of both organic and non-organic food to see which one has more beneficial effects to the other. How is it that for the drug companies endless tests are done to prove they do or don't do damage but with food we pay so much less attention to giving customers the answer? Do tests on the food and the chemicals that are being used and then one can give the answer to the nutritional side at least. This seems to be the most asked question of them all. After all, we are what we eat!

Organic Food - What's the fuss about?

Posted by Charles Teton (not verified) on 22/01/2007 - 18:10

"Given the food safety scandals of the last few decades, it is a sensible lifestyle choice to believe that organic food is on balance, 'safer'...in the broadest sense."

I personally beleive this statement to be true and as far a my daughter is concerned I have tried to minimize the direct contact with the multitude of chemicals around us. Since birth she has been fed organic foods 95% of the time and most household chemicals are not used.

Unfortunately the onus, as far as I am aware, is for the consumer to prove the damage caused by a given chemical cocktail rather than the manufacturing companies to extensively prove that their product in combinate with another product is harmful.

To be honest I don't trust the companies and I find it hard to trust 'any' of the political parties. I'm not sure I trust the 'Food Standards Agency' either, completely. Its nice to get updates on piece of glass etc in food though.

I would not call it a ‘lifestyle choice’, rather a 'life or eventual dead by chemical ingestion, choice'.

PS Hope I don't get flamed for the last comment.

Think about it

Posted by Drew (not verified) on 17/01/2007 - 18:15

Nobody would consciously choose to ingest herbicides and pesticides (even if a government scientist did tell them they were safe in small quantities!). On top of that, organic food looks better, tastes better and is often of an obviously higher quality to its chemically enhanced relations.

organic food

Posted by Anonymous (not verified) on 17/01/2007 - 18:13

I eat as much organically as I can, and have done for many years. I am fully aware of Soil Association regulations, which contain few derogations for the growing of food and animals. Few chemicals are allowed. Given recent FSA documents about pesticide minimisation in crops such as potatoes and apples, detailing the number of pesticides permitted and the number of residues found, I have no hesitation in suggesting that people eat organic whenever they can. We do not know what the cocktail effect of ingesting small amounts of many different chemicals has on our health. And please don't respond by saying natural toxins in plants are worse for us than the pesticides. We have surely learnt to deal with those over millenia, whereas modern pesticides date mostly from the post-second-world-war period. As a previous correspondent has said, eating organic is not just about health of humans, (and we mustn't forget that it's also about the exposure of the farmers to pesticides as well). It's about environmental benefits of many different kinds, which have been provenl.

Organic Food

Posted by Val (not verified) on 17/01/2007 - 12:24

Malcolm

The fact that you have a wide knowledge of the food supply and are not persuaded to follow an organic diet is entirely relevant. I wonder how many devotees of organic food are aware of the numerous derogations allowed by the Soil Association - so numerous, in fact, that there is probably no such thing as organic food in the terms understood by most of the population.

I wholeheartedly agree with the ethos of minimising the use of pesticides and maximising reliance upon good husbandry, and I am certainly in favour of using local food where possible, but to suggest that there is a total difference between organic and non organic food is nothing short of dishonest, in my opinion.

An emotive issue

Posted by Andrew Wadge on 17/01/2007 - 10:03

Great to get all your comments and keep them coming. I think the ones we have had so far demonstrate what a complex issue it is. You're right, Malcolm, food is an emotive issue, and some of these 'value' issue will come out during next week's City Food Lecture. Hope you can catch it, if not in person, then by watching online. I'm planning to attend, so will no doubt post my thoughts on the blog when it's over.

Food Safety and Organic Food

Posted by Alfred (not verified) on 15/01/2007 - 20:20

Dear Andrew,
From a legal point of view the European regulations do not allow that organic food can be claimed to be safer that regular food. Both have to accomplish with the same food safety regulations.
The confusion about organic food is mainly because very few people know that the basic reason of organic food is not food safety but to support production systems more friendly with the environment. The standards of organic food production are based in practices that have the lowest impact in the environment. No use of pesticides is and any other artificially synthetized substances is a way to diminish the use of oil based energy with less production of Co2 and so on.
But the marketing has probably found this argument not so easy to disseminate so it has been easer to appeal to food safety reasons. General ignorance on this subjects have contributed to the universal entrophy with more confusion.

Organic and the environment

Posted by Anonymous (not verified) on 15/01/2007 - 15:53

Even the environmental support for Organic is not so clear cut. From a productivity perspective how much extra land is required to produce the same amount of food organically as conventionally. If we only produced organically how much more land would be needed for agricultural purposes ?Has anyone run a life cycle analysis of the two ?

Organic Food

Posted by Malcolm Kane (not verified) on 13/01/2007 - 15:02

Andrew,
The argument for respecting those who feel strongly about organic food and the continuing integrity of its supply is bigger than the presence or absence of any evidence of its nutritional benefits. Food is an emotive issue and people have every right to trust in and believe their 'common sense' judgement about the value of organic food to them. Science is only scratching at the surface of food safety and nutrition and while I respect the available science, I also respect human intuition. Food scientists should not patronise those who prefer organic food by offering merely the 'tolerant' attitude freedom of choice.
Given the food safety scandals of the last few decades, it is a sensible lifestyle choice to believe that organic food is on balance, 'safer'...in the broadest sense. Personally I am not persuaded to follow an organic diet, but I am privileged in having a wide knowledge of the food supply and make personal choices in that knowledge.

organic foods

Posted by Felicity (not verified) on 13/01/2007 - 10:06

"Safe" for Andrew may be only for the consumer. He should also take account of the land use, flora and fauna as well as the well being of stock. Some organic products have superior taste, flavour and texture to mass produced stock.